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    Es schien, als sei bereits alles erledigt... Es geht um eRIAA Phono-Vorverstärker

    Eine neue Lösung des brillanten Designers Nikolai Sukhov (Ukraine) hat grundlegend neue Eigenschaften. Der Klang der MM- und MC-Versionen unterscheidet sich deutlich von denen der Konkurrenz, und hier erfahren Sie, warum:

    1. Constant loop gain for no THD both @ LF and HF,
    2. No coupling capacitors at all, MC-like sound with MM cartridge thanks to
    3. aperiodic non-resonant HF correction with lowest input capacitance.
    Thanks fo that, the unwanted resonance of the input circuit is shifted far into the ultrasound region and does not manifest itself in the audio range, and the input resistor R1 can be increased to 150 kOhm, thus forming a "passive cooling", which reduces the input noise current in SQRT (150 kOhm / 47 kOhm) = 1.78 times compared to typical Rin = 47 kOhm.
    4. At the front end uses a matched pair of Dual, ultra-low noise, low-gate-current audio N-channel JFET - the latest JFE2140 from Texas Instrument. It's allow to achieve a record IEC-A weighted signal-to-noise ratio of 85 dBA relative to a standard 5 mV@1 kHz input level with an attached 0.5 H+ MM head equivalent. 1 kOhm
    5. and THD less, then 0.00006% with fantastic overload capacity (64 mV@1 kHz < 0.0007%).
    6. The frequency response exactly corresponds to the Enahanced RIAA not with three, as usual, but with five time constants, in addition to 75 + 318 + 3180µs, a Neumann pole compensator and a rumble-reducing 7950 µs - IEC 98 Amendment are also implemented.
    7. Double diff erenti al stages scheme : high PSRR , but stabilized bipolar +-(15-18)V power supply with low
    ripple is required
    The preamp board must be installed next to the tonearm to ensure the stated performance
    Discussion here: http://surl.li/lnteb

    MM
    Frequency range: 1 Hz - 45 kHz
    Ku at 1 kHz: 49 dB
    rated output voltage: 1.4V
    signal to noise ratio: >85 dBA
    THD for input signal: 5mV@1kHz: <0.00006%

    MS
    Frequency range: 1 Hz - 45 kHz
    Ku at 1 kHz: 68 dB
    rated output voltage: 1.4V
    signal to noise ratio: >73.9 dBA
    THD for input signal: 0.4 mV@1 kHz: <0.0004%

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    In order for the parameters of phono stages to be compared with each other, they must strictly comply
    with the regulati ons established in parti cular by IEC 61938. In this case, the input of the device should not
    be short-circuited, but should be loaded onto the equivalent - for MM this is a circuit consisting of
    inductance 500 mH, in series with a 1 kOhm resistor and a capacitance of 125 pF connected in parallel to
    them. For MC - 10 Ohms. The nominal input signal level for the MM is 5 mV, for the MC- 0.3 mV. Noise
    parameters must be A-weighted.




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    To implement the aperiodic correction invented by Sukhov, the input capacitance is minimized in the circuit (the input stage in the common feedback loop and its input capacitance is not multiplied, but is equal to a trivial single gate-drain capacitance), i.e. the resonance of the input circuit is shifted far into ultrasound, which made it possible to increase Rin from 47 to 150 kOhm and reduce the noise by almost 2 times, actually by 5 dB (a kind of "passive cooling"), and at the same time provide better transparency at high frequencies, because the blockage of a standard LC circuit at frequencies above the resonant one no longer distorts the sound. This is what the one of user mentioned "With aperiodic correction, the sound is more intelligible, realistic, it's like wiping fogged glasses."

    - the used not resonant, but aperiodic HF correction also makes it possible to avoid the procedure of selecting the input capacitance for each specific type of pickup head, as well as to expand the frequency response at frequencies above 15 kHz due to the elimination of the usual sharp blockage of the frequency response with a slope of up to 12 dB/octave above the resonance frequency. Aperiodic correction is implemented by reducing the input capacitance to the limit (in this case, to 14 pF - the gate capacitance of the input field-effect transistor). In this case, the unwanted resonance of the input circuit is shifted far into the ultrasound region and does not manifest itself in the audio range, and the input resistor R1 can be increased to 150 kOhm, thus forming a "passive cooling", which reduces the input noise current in SQRT (150 kOhm / 47 kOhm) = 1.78 times compared to typical Rin = 47 kOhm.

    - thanks to the general negative feedback, covering the input stage, THD at a standard input voltage of 5 mV does not exceed 0.000056%. At the same time, the overall negative feedback minimizes Miller's input capacitance to the theoretical limit (gate capacitance of the input transistor), allowing the use of JFE2140 transistors that are optimal in terms of noise minimization (with spectral density of intrinsic noise en=0.9 nV/SQRTHz).

    - a unique (high-community up to coverage of the general negative feedback) output stage operates in class A mode and, due to the load on the frequency response correction chain R9-R12C3-C5, when the general negative feedback is closed, it provides a unique "passive-active" principle of frequency response formation, in which, despite the very deep frequency response correction from +20 dB at low frequencies to -20 dB at high frequencies, an almost constant depth of feedback (constant loop gain) is provided in the entire sound range, which favorably affects both the accuracy of observing the standard frequency response and the potential stability of the circuit. With a closed loop of the general negative feedback, the output resistance of the circuit at the common point of the T4T5 collectors does not exceed 20 ohms, and, taking into account the resistor R18 that cuts off the capacitive load, at the output of the entire device does not exceed 500 ohms. We note in particular that in the vast majority of other competing circuits with outputs to an op-amp or emitter followers, such a constant loop gain principle is not implemented.

    - the use of an integrating comparator (DCservo) on the op-amp OP1 provided a zero output (no more than + - 5 μV) for a constant voltage without using the usual electrolytic capacitors that introduce specific "ionic" distortions into the sound. ORA192 is used as an op amp - the most modern product of electronic technology based on eTrim technology with field effect transistors at the input and a uniquely low zero offset of no more than 5 μV.

    - the nominal output voltage of the Su-XXI corrector is 1.4 V (Ku at a frequency of 1 kHz is 49 dB) versus 0.3 V (typical Ku of competitors at a frequency of 1 kHz is 35...40 dB). This means that Sukhov's vinyl proofreader can be connected to the input of modern power amplifier with a typical sensitivity of 1 to 1.5 V without an additional linear preamplifier, reducing the length of the path and reducing additional noise and distortion to a minimum.

    #2
    Even if I understand little and haven't had a turntable for decades - it's admirable Ukrainians are able to create such things, even in these difficult times.
    Glauben ist gut, Wissen ist besser, wer lernen will, lernt.
    Wer lieber glaubt, darf glauben - volenti non fit iniuria.

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      #3
      Zitat von respice finem Beitrag anzeigen
      Even if I understand little and haven't had a turntable for decades - it's admirable Ukrainians are able to create such things, even in these difficult times.
      Danke. Yep, I would like to invite involved people to testing sample of this Vorverstärker and compare it with others
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        #4
        Suggestion: Maybe send a sample to Amir? He has a testing site which has meanwhile become quite "potent", so you probably know him:
        Yes, you read the title right. If you have audio gear that you like to see objectively measured with professional equipment, we (I) may be interested in doing that for you and our readers. There is so little objective data on equipment today. Even if you are not an "objectivists" it pays to...

        Glauben ist gut, Wissen ist besser, wer lernen will, lernt.
        Wer lieber glaubt, darf glauben - volenti non fit iniuria.

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          #5
          Zitat von respice finem Beitrag anzeigen
          Suggestion: Maybe send a sample to Amir? He has a testing site which has meanwhile become quite "potent", so you probably know him:
          Yes, you read the title right. If you have audio gear that you like to see objectively measured with professional equipment, we (I) may be interested in doing that for you and our readers. There is so little objective data on equipment today. Even if you are not an "objectivists" it pays to...
          no, unfortunately I don't know Amir. Of course I can send sample to him, but to tell the truth I would like ot hear i myself. Let me know contact of this gentleman bitte

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            #6
            Hmmm, Again, the question is: is it really worth investing a lot of money and labour in hardware if the content is only mediocre to poorly produced?
            best regards

            Mark von der Waterkant

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              #7
              Zitat von Observer Beitrag anzeigen
              Hmmm, Again, the question is: is it really worth investing a lot of money and labour in hardware if the content is only mediocre to poorly produced?
              Mehrere Male in meinem Leben habe ich gelacht und den Plattenspieler und die Schallplatten weggeworfen (okay, ich habe sie nicht weggeworfen, sondern verkauft, verschenkt, verschenkt), dann vergingen Jahrzehnte und ich kaufte den Plattenspieler und das GLEICHE Set von mir wieder Lieblings-Platin-Schallplatten. Das ist eine Art Obsession. Der Wunsch, die Jugend zurückzubringen, eine neue Wahrnehmung der Musik... Ich schalte den Plattenspieler selten ein, aber es ist wichtig für mich, dass ich einen habe. Dadurch fühle ich mich ruhiger.

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                #8
                Verständlich, geht doch Einigen hier so
                best regards

                Mark von der Waterkant

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                  #9
                  es soll ja auch welche geben, die ihre frau mehrmals heiraten

                  aber in manchen dienstverträgen gibt es die sperrklausel, dass man bei kündigung nicht mehr in der selben branche tätig werden darf. wie heißts? dumm ist, wer den gleichen fehler mehrmals macht, in der hoffnung, es käme was besseres heraus.
                  nadelkratzer und bandgeräte, nein danke. ich bin auch kein dampfmaschinen liebhaber. ich liebe feinmechanik, wenn saugend gemacht. aber zu viel abweichung ist auch zu viel.

                  Zuletzt geändert von longueval; 25.11.2023, 17:16.
                  ALSregel: besser man kann mehr, als man macht, als man macht mehr, als man kann. (brecht)

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                    #10
                    Zitat von depo196 Beitrag anzeigen

                    no, unfortunately I don't know Amir. Of course I can send sample to him, but to tell the truth I would like ot hear i myself. Let me know contact of this gentleman bitte
                    The contact is via the link in my previous post

                    No fear he won't bite If you feel like you need any kind of "recommendation", I'm using the same nick on his site, but I don't know him personally.
                    Glauben ist gut, Wissen ist besser, wer lernen will, lernt.
                    Wer lieber glaubt, darf glauben - volenti non fit iniuria.

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                      #11
                      Zitat von longueval Beitrag anzeigen
                      es soll ja auch welche geben, die ihre frau mehrmals heiraten
                      Die stehen zu ihren Fehlern

                      @Topic: Ich bin da eher auf Deiner "Linie", ich bin heute noch dankbar den "Vätern" von Digital Audio.
                      Wäre auch langweilig, wenn alle genauso "ticken" würden.

                      Das Phänomen LP Renaissance (und teilweise Tape) ist für mich "tiefenpsychologisch" interessant. Irgendwie haben runde und rotierende Formen auf viele Menschen eine Wirkung. Genauso Bewegung beim Musikhören (VU-Meter). Das könnte es sein, was vielen bei den "unsichtbaren" digitalen Zuspielern fehlt. Eine belastbare Studie ist mir allerdings nicht untergekommen, wer gibt auch für so was Geld aus.
                      Genauso latent auffällig - die Dominanz "analoger" Uhren (also rundes Ziffernblatt und laufende Zeiger) usw.
                      Zuletzt geändert von respice finem; 25.11.2023, 18:23.
                      Glauben ist gut, Wissen ist besser, wer lernen will, lernt.
                      Wer lieber glaubt, darf glauben - volenti non fit iniuria.

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                        #12
                        Zitat von respice finem Beitrag anzeigen

                        Das Phänomen LP Renaissance (und teilweise Tape) ist für mich "tiefenpsychologisch" interessant.
                        But there are also objective reasons for the LP renaissance...
                        For example, a peak factor of 20 dB, not available for digital...​

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                          #13
                          Zitat von depo196 Beitrag anzeigen
                          ...peak factor of 20 dB, not available for digital...â
                          What would this be? Headroom?
                          Glauben ist gut, Wissen ist besser, wer lernen will, lernt.
                          Wer lieber glaubt, darf glauben - volenti non fit iniuria.

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                            #14
                            Zitat von respice finem Beitrag anzeigen

                            What would this be? Headroom?
                            Peak Factor is defined as the ratio of maximum value to the R.M.S value of an alternating quantity. The alternating quantities can be voltage or current. The maximum value is the peak value or the crest value or the amplitude of the voltage or current.

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                              #15
                              Zitat von depo196 Beitrag anzeigen
                              7. Double diff erenti al stages scheme : high PSRR , but stabilized bipolar +-(15-18)V power supply with low
                              ripple is required
                              Wozu soll das Ding mit +-18V gespeist werden ?
                              Die hälfte wäre mehr als ausreichend.
                              Die Arbeitspunkte könnte man anpassen.
                              Würde Strom sparen und sogar minimal den Rauschabstand verbessern.
                              Wer braucht die möglichen 10..12V Effektiv als Ausgangspegel ?

                              Ein paar kleine Kondensatoren mit Jumpern oder Schalter zu Kapazitätsanpassung an den Tonabnehmer wäre sinnvoll.
                              Und auch ein Subsonic Filter, unter 40 Hz ist eh nur Müll auf Schallplatten

                              Gruß Frank

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